[OHPV-list] My Upright vs. Bent Experiment

[tha_capt]

 Tha Capt here ~

Here's my logic when it comes to bents vs wedgies. Terrain is divided up 
into four catgorys - up-hill, flat, downhill, and rollers for which bents 
rule. Depending on "what" the percentage of the four catagorys that 
represents the route will be the deciding factor of which bike that will be 
favored. Some of us have found that riding a bent also makes us stronger 
up-right riders, so Caroline will benefit from her bent training and carry 
it over to the Brigstone. Two runs at course will need be " as Yoda" would 
say. One with her fanny firmly glued to the saddle of her Brgis. and the 
second run with the freedom of standing up on the same Brigstone. OK - OK so 
I'm getting anal here - but hey - Carolines doing a very scientific test 
here and she's asking for input ;-))

I'm raising John and Slow Joe a Oatmeal Raisen Cookie that Caroline will be 
faster on the TE "if" she stays seated on the Brigstone. "But" if she gets 
that little hard body of hers out of the saddle for the climbs she will have 
a faster time on the Brigs. What you may not know about Caroline guys - she 
has been riding her MBT with a few MBT jocks and probably would show very 
well in a Cycle Cross meet. So with that said - not knowing her route she is 
going to use - I say she will shine on the climbs while out of the saddle 
for a faster over all time.

"Now" for that cup of coffee ;-))




> Today's Topics:
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>   1. My Upright vs. Bent Experiment (Carolyn Devine)
>   2. Need advice - handlebar/shifter setup (Jim Pedersen)
>   3. Re: My Upright vs. Bent Experiment (John Climaldi)
>   4. Re: My Upright vs. Bent Experiment (Jkeenan(Yahoo Account))
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:35:37 -0700
> From: Carolyn Devine <helianthus at comcast.net>
> Subject: [OHPV-list] My Upright vs. Bent Experiment
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> hi Folks!
> here's the scoop -
> I'm going to answer for myself which I'm faster on, my 'bent or my
> upright on a loop that has a variety of conditions (hills, flats, city).
> The route is 25+ miles, a conglomerate of 3 different commutes I've
> had since moving to PDX - so it's  tried and true and I don't have to
> think about where I'm going.
>
> There are some big hills ( the cemetery and the zoo)
> and some great cruising flats (Mult. Blvd, oaks bottom trail)
>
> I'm going to do each route a few times in each direction on each bike
> (still figuring out how many replicates are required for good
> data...it may depend on how much I vary in time after a few trials)
> and intend on taking note of times at 3 or 4 points along the way
> (top of Sylvan Hill, top of Cemetery, etc.).
> Or maybe it'd be better if I wasn't aware of how I am doing and just
> pushed myself the whole time...I'd like the data (am I really
> climbing that much slower on the 'bent? am I really going that much
> faster on the flats?), but don't want my psyching myself out one way
> or the other to skew things. any thoughts? maybe call myself on the
> cell phone w/out looking at the time so that i have a time stamp?
>
> What's your guess on which bike will be faster? or will I average out
> to be about the same speed for the entire route?
> My question to myself is:
> If "recumbents can't climb" can I make up for it on the flats?
>
> I understand that the conclusion will only be for me/my body on this
> particular route with these not necessarily comparable bikes (the TE
> weighs a lot more, for one thing!); the Bridgestone was marketed as a
> "sport touring" bike).
> So while I'm not going to over extrapolate the data,
> i'm just curious....are you? or do you think one will be faster as a
> foregone conclusion?
>
> Carolyn
>
> Not a perfect experiment:
> I rode the TE 5,560 miles since May 1 2005; and the Bridgestone <50
> since April 1, 2006 --
> but f it's "not about the bike" then I should be approximately the
> same speed on both, right?
> wanna take some bets? cookies to the one who guesses closest? -- do I
> need to establish a line? ;*)
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:38:56 -0700
> From: John Climaldi <john4bho at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [OHPV-list] My Upright vs. Bent Experiment
> To: Carolyn Devine <helianthus at comcast.net>
> Cc: OHPV-list at ohpv.org
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> I would like to wager 2 cookies and a power bar. My prediction, short
> and sweet. The Bridgestone is not much lighter then the TE, so the
> times will favor the TE by 4:00 to 8:00 minutes on a 25 mile route.
> Now if you were on a light Road bike (17 pound job) then you would be
> faster on it assuming there are a lot of climbs. Just My $.02.
>
> BTW, bents climb just fine and do well on the flats when you compare
> apples to apples. A 17 pound bent will climb just as well as a 17
> pound df, even if you can't stand on the pedals!
>
> John
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:45:27 +0300
> From: "Jkeenan\(Yahoo Account\)" <jkeenan0407 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [OHPV-list] My Upright vs. Bent Experiment
> To: <OHPV-list at ohpv.org>
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> John,
>
> Please buy me a Carbent so I can test your assumption about weight and
> climbing.  I'll pay the shipping!!!  <gr&d>
>
> Joe
>
> P.S. I'll see you two cookies and raise you an OREO that the TE is faster
> than the Bridgestone given the route Carolyn describes.   On a hilly 
> route,
> my plain basic OREO cookies (none of that new fangled stuff) would be on 
> the
> Bridgestone.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Climaldi" <john4bho at mac.com>
> To: "Carolyn Devine" <helianthus at comcast.net>
> Cc: <OHPV-list at ohpv.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [OHPV-list] My Upright vs. Bent Experiment
>
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>>I would like to wager 2 cookies and a power bar. My prediction, short
>> and sweet. The Bridgestone is not much lighter then the TE, so the
>> times will favor the TE by 4:00 to 8:00 minutes on a 25 mile route.
>> Now if you were on a light Road bike (17 pound job) then you would be
>> faster on it assuming there are a lot of climbs. Just My $.02.
>>
>> BTW, bents climb just fine and do well on the flats when you compare
>> apples to apples. A 17 pound bent will climb just as well as a 17
>> pound df, even if you can't stand on the pedals!
>>
>> John
>> >>
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